Comments for BIM, the Built Environment and Stuff http://frombulator.com Half Work, Half Play, Half other stuff Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:56:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on Open BIM? Who really has a vested interest in the care and feeding of an open platform? by H http://frombulator.com/2012/03/open-bim-says-who/comment-page-1/#comment-2079 H Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:56:09 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1220#comment-2079 We may want to broaden our understanding of how some of the tools on the market work if we haven't seen an IFC modeling and server tool. This one works entirely with IFC: http://www.constructivity.com/ (although I am not a fan of it) Not sure if the reasons presented here are weighty enough to be suspicious of the OpenBIM arrangement, especially in light of the fact that Autodesk can join the initiative anytime they want to. In harmony with the preceding comments, you will, in fact, be able to open an IFC file 20 years from now (if we are still using files) as it is text. However, I am not sure that is true of a Revit model. I can't even open an AutoCAD file from version 12, can I? We may want to broaden our understanding of how some of the tools on the market work if we haven’t seen an IFC modeling and server tool. This one works entirely with IFC: http://www.constructivity.com/ (although I am not a fan of it) Not sure if the reasons presented here are weighty enough to be suspicious of the OpenBIM arrangement, especially in light of the fact that Autodesk can join the initiative anytime they want to. In harmony with the preceding comments, you will, in fact, be able to open an IFC file 20 years from now (if we are still using files) as it is text. However, I am not sure that is true of a Revit model. I can’t even open an AutoCAD file from version 12, can I?

]]> Comment on Open BIM? Who really has a vested interest in the care and feeding of an open platform? by Shevek http://frombulator.com/2012/03/open-bim-says-who/comment-page-1/#comment-2055 Shevek Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:52:35 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1220#comment-2055 It's not about being able to open a file 20 years later. It's about being able to open a file 20 years later with you own choice of software. It’s not about being able to open a file 20 years later. It’s about being able to open a file 20 years later with you own choice of software.

]]> Comment on Open BIM? Who really has a vested interest in the care and feeding of an open platform? by Gertjan http://frombulator.com/2012/03/open-bim-says-who/comment-page-1/#comment-2039 Gertjan Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:04:47 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1220#comment-2039 A BuildingSMART Data Model (IFC) can be opened without the need for the programm in which it was inital created. It is even readable, by opening with a simple text editor. It is not about opensource but about open information, the "I" of BIM. The economic value of Information is already known for years. A BuildingSMART Data Model (IFC) can be opened without the need for the programm in which it was inital created. It is even readable, by opening with a simple text editor.

It is not about opensource but about open information, the “I” of BIM. The economic value of Information is already known for years.

]]> Comment on Open BIM? Who really has a vested interest in the care and feeding of an open platform? by Jared Banks http://frombulator.com/2012/03/open-bim-says-who/comment-page-1/#comment-2038 Jared Banks Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:45:30 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1220#comment-2038 I see one of the goals of open BIM would be that a file built in 2014 could be opened by any BIM platform in 2024. You could work in revit now but sketchup 15 years from now. Who's this good for? Us. Architects. Any program worth its salt can open an old autocad file. It's crazy that we don't demand the same of BIM. And better to make it an open file than a .rvt or. Pln. But really if it wassup one or the other I'd be just as happy. I see one of the goals of open BIM would be that a file built in 2014 could be opened by any BIM platform in 2024. You could work in revit now but sketchup 15 years from now. Who’s this good for? Us. Architects.

Any program worth its salt can open an old autocad file. It’s crazy that we don’t demand the same of BIM. And better to make it an open file than a .rvt or. Pln. But really if it wassup one or the other I’d be just as happy.

]]> Comment on Open BIM? Who really has a vested interest in the care and feeding of an open platform? by Jim Foster http://frombulator.com/2012/03/open-bim-says-who/comment-page-1/#comment-1977 Jim Foster Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:08:36 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1220#comment-1977 Not sure I understand the point. Do you need archicad installed to view archicad files? You need a program to read/interpret data, and that program whatever it is needs to have a business model behind it for it to be viable, counting on the goodness of volunteers to keep something current is not a business model. Wikipedia asks for donations. Open Office asks for donations. So either they sell it out right with subsciption/maintenance or have an ad based model so you get it for free but another company is subsidizing/paying for it. So who is going to create an open standard? and to what end? collobration is great, but if there is not an economic incentive, it ends. and even if someone creates an open standard (ifc) engine that can be digested by every program in the world, you will get customized products with for profit companies (a la Linux/Red Hat) that will support the standard and make a profit so firms can count on the support and skill of a 'real' company. rest all you want. Not sure I understand the point. Do you need archicad installed to view archicad files? You need a program to read/interpret data, and that program whatever it is needs to have a business model behind it for it to be viable, counting on the goodness of volunteers to keep something current is not a business model. Wikipedia asks for donations. Open Office asks for donations. So either they sell it out right with subsciption/maintenance or have an ad based model so you get it for free but another company is subsidizing/paying for it. So who is going to create an open standard? and to what end? collobration is great, but if there is not an economic incentive, it ends. and even if someone creates an open standard (ifc) engine that can be digested by every program in the world, you will get customized products with for profit companies (a la Linux/Red Hat) that will support the standard and make a profit so firms can count on the support and skill of a ‘real’ company. rest all you want.

]]> Comment on Open BIM? Who really has a vested interest in the care and feeding of an open platform? by Gertjan http://frombulator.com/2012/03/open-bim-says-who/comment-page-1/#comment-1928 Gertjan Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:01:36 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1220#comment-1928 Just one question for the author!: When opening a Revit file that is 7 years old, do you need to have Revit installed? In other words are the Project stakeholders NOT free in their choice of tools to view the information in the "BIM"? I Rest My Case Just one question for the author!: When opening a Revit file that is 7 years old, do you need to have Revit installed? In other words are the Project stakeholders NOT free in their choice of tools to view the information in the “BIM”?

I Rest My Case

]]> Comment on Sketch Up Goes BIM : #sketchup #bim by BIM Addict http://frombulator.com/2009/11/sketch-up-goes-bim-sketchup-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-1220 BIM Addict Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:08:45 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=302#comment-1220 The SketchUpBIM plugin provides a perfect amalgamation between Google SketchUp and BIM. It provides simple tools to create grids, floors, and all common structural engineering and architectural primitives like walls, columns, beams, slabs and openings. The methodology and process-flows are similar to popular BIM softwares like Revit and ArchiCAD. A free version is currently available at www.sketchupbim.com! The SketchUpBIM plugin provides a perfect amalgamation between Google SketchUp and BIM. It provides simple tools to create grids, floors, and all common structural engineering and architectural primitives like walls, columns, beams, slabs and openings. The methodology and process-flows are similar to popular BIM softwares like Revit and ArchiCAD.

A free version is currently available at http://www.sketchupbim.com!

]]> Comment on Gehry Does Revit : Pigs Fly Addition : BIM by Javaknight http://frombulator.com/2011/10/gehry-does-revit-pigs-fly-addition-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-800 Javaknight Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:33:00 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1125#comment-800 Not really (I am sure the data is publicly available), but I wouldn't compare total Autodesk revenues with Nemetshek's both for the reason you mention and for the fact that Autodesk marketing capabilities are spread across several products (as the figures that you report seem to be gross figures across several products as well?) Knowing what I do about Revit (as compared to other BIM packages) and Autodesk (as compared to other forward thinking tech firms) I am not sure if I would equate Revit to the future. (although, it may continue to do quite well in the future) Not really (I am sure the data is publicly available), but I wouldn’t compare total Autodesk revenues with Nemetshek’s both for the reason you mention and for the fact that Autodesk marketing capabilities are spread across several products (as the figures that you report seem to be gross figures across several products as well?) Knowing what I do about Revit (as compared to other BIM packages) and Autodesk (as compared to other forward thinking tech firms) I am not sure if I would equate Revit to the future. (although, it may continue to do quite well in the future)

]]> Comment on Gehry Does Revit : Pigs Fly Addition : BIM by Jim Foster http://frombulator.com/2011/10/gehry-does-revit-pigs-fly-addition-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-745 Jim Foster Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:47:26 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1125#comment-745 I would assume Archicad has better penetration in Europe but distilling the numbers gets difficult as they are not generally broken out by the companies themselves. To break it down quickly Nemetshek is had $150 million Euro Revenue last fiscal year, Autodesk had $2,000 million or $ 2 billion. $150 Euro converted is approx. $212 Million, so Autodesk roughly ten times the size. You can argue Nemetshek is just about architecture/buildings while Autodesk is spread among other business units, however, net dollars equals marketing muscle. Personally, I am asked to provide AutoCAD or more prevalent now Revit deliverables here in the US, not once asked for Archicad, so I am following what the market is asking for and not really saying one is better than another, just responding. Do you have any data in the UK and what firms are working with? I would assume Archicad has better penetration in Europe but distilling the numbers gets difficult as they are not generally broken out by the companies themselves. To break it down quickly Nemetshek is had $150 million Euro Revenue last fiscal year, Autodesk had $2,000 million or $ 2 billion. $150 Euro converted is approx. $212 Million, so Autodesk roughly ten times the size. You can argue Nemetshek is just about architecture/buildings while Autodesk is spread among other business units, however, net dollars equals marketing muscle. Personally, I am asked to provide AutoCAD or more prevalent now Revit deliverables here in the US, not once asked for Archicad, so I am following what the market is asking for and not really saying one is better than another, just responding. Do you have any data in the UK and what firms are working with?

]]> Comment on Gehry Does Revit : Pigs Fly Addition : BIM by Javaknight http://frombulator.com/2011/10/gehry-does-revit-pigs-fly-addition-bim/comment-page-1/#comment-744 Javaknight Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:10:11 +0000 http://frombulator.com/?p=1125#comment-744 What's Revit penetration like in the UK, compared to. . . say. . . ArchiCAD? What’s Revit penetration like in the UK, compared to. . . say. . . ArchiCAD?

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